Evolution of work ethic

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And we're off and running. Well, hi there. Welcome to the first episode of Gears of Trust. I'm your host, Maynard Hebert. And I'm a heavy duty mechanic and an auto mechanic. I work in Northern Alberta, one of the mine sites, on electric rope shovels and hydraulic shovels. I work within a rather large team. And I'm 65 years old this month, as a matter of fact, and that puts me 50 years in the workforce. Uh, this podcast that I've created has all come about of the friendships I've made inside the cabs of service trucks throughout the mine and over the summer. Um, Into the fall, uh, my friends and I have been having some pretty detailed conversations in the trucks and one of them mentioned to me that hey, this should be a podcast. So, I don't have a fucking clue about building podcasts. I've hit the books here for the last four months real hard. I think I've watched every video on YouTube. I went to the end of YouTube and I came back to the start of YouTube. Um, I've learned to use AI software. I'm using six, uh, six AI. Uh, software systems to put together a podcast show. So you're right at the raw start of this and hopefully in 20 or 30 episodes, I should have a smoothed out. Uh, today I'd like to talk to a friend of mine, uh, a new friend I've just made, he's come into my life. I'm going to say three weeks ago here now. Uh, he's my new team member and I've been moved to new shift at one of the sites here, so I said, uh, site to the far north. I was dropped back to a basemine and lo and behold, I had a new partner and my new partner is right on the other side of the screen. That's Sean Stefanuti and well, We had some pretty good conversations. We're on for 14 nights, we met each other. So this is kind of the first time I've ever seen the guy in the daylight. So that's, that's neat in itself. But, uh, yeah, I explained to him about the podcast and he said he'd be gracious enough to do an episode with me. So the whole format of years of trust is it's raw talk, it's mechanics using the F word as a comma sometimes. And, uh, we just like to talk about. Episodes we talked to trucker try to bring that or duplicate that right here on the screen for you. So, uh, You can get me on spotify. Now i'm on iheart I have set up an apple account to get on apple spycast. I'm on buzzsprout pod b as well to x I'm on Twitter, I'm on Instagram, I'm on YouTube, I'm on Facebook. Uh, so there should be no problem seeing me, and I'll be dropping links in all those. My personal Facebook, uh, is where I keep my friends and stuff. Uh, what's it called? If you want to be, uh, personal on one of my episodes, by all means, uh, just message me on one of the social media platforms to see me on. I'm more than happy to entertain it. Uh, bye. look for tradesmen, uh, specifically in, in mining or automotive as well. So we're talking welders, scaffolders, yeah, electricians, welders. I'll even talk to a welder in public, hard to believe, and heavy duty mechanics, which is where my, my true love lies. That being said, either where my true love lies, here's my new partner, Sean Stefanotti. It's Sean. I'm gonna get you to introduce yourself and, uh, which call if you miss any spots. I'm just gonna pop right in with a quick question, so let's give it Sure thing. Well, first off, thanks for you're up, Sean, having me on your show and, uh, yeah, my name's Sean and uh, I've been a heavy duty mechanic for the last. 8 or so years, and it's been pretty interesting in the last 2 weeks and night that we were in that truck having those conversations. It was pretty interesting. Cool. Oh, yeah, it's a certain subject and didn't have enough of 12 hours in a shift to have. You know, talk about it. I'll just put it that way. Yeah, no kidding, eh? So, you come from back east, eh? As a mechanic? Yes, I sure do. I come from back east, and most of my I spent about seven years in uh, Tormont back then. And uh, I've been all over that. So that'd be, that Tormont, that dealer's the equivalent of Finning here in the oil sands, right? So the Caterpillar dealer up here is Finning, so back east you would be Tormont, is your predominant dealer, is that correct? That's correct. Originally, I used to work for Hewitt, but then Tormont, uh, bought them out in 2017. Yeah, so Tormont bought them out in 2017, eh? So were you, were you in forestry? Were you in civil construction? Were you in mining? Or what type of stuff were you doing back there, Sean? I was in the civil construction throughout the whole lineup. And the last year I was in mining. Oh, last year you were in mining? So, uh, coal mine, iron ore, I would imagine, or gold, eh? Underground, above ground. Oh, iron ore. Iron ore, eh? Yeah. Pretty cool. And then your life took a change, and here you are, you're out west here now, right? You settled in the middle part of the province, or well, actually, northern Alberta. And your wife married two kids, three kids, four kids, five kids. Three kids. Three kids. There you go. That's a good healthy family. So what's the ages of the kids, Sean? We got one that's nine, we got one that's three, and what's uh, just turned two. Oh, wow, so Santa Claus is gonna be really big over the next couple of years here. Yeah, he might not fit through the chimney anymore. Too many gifts. Too many gifts. All the oil sands by the toilet gifts to sit down in the chimney. Just have to put the fobs underneath the tree I guess, right? Oh yeah. Wow. So I said, I sent Sean a list of topics. You know, that he would feel comfortable, would like to, you know, grab by the horns and speak to. Uh, and the topic we're going to be talking about here today on Gears of Trust is the evolution of work ethic. Now, like I said at the start of the the The cast that the show here is that I've been 50 years in the workforce. I turned 65 this month. I, my first job was at 15 and I actually had, I was working on an Irving garage in New Brunswick and I actually had an accident with a customer's car at the age of 15. So it wasn't even a licensed driver, which, you know, Created a whole mess of things, but I come from a family of 10 kids, a good Catholic family back East. My, my dad was French, my mom was Irish, and, uh, we had six girls, four boys, and work was a big thing. And I know my work ethic from there to what it is today is a phenomenal transition, right? But this struck a chord with Sean as well too. So Sean, let's take a look at you, you know, like work ethic, like work ethic. What does that mean to you in a nutshell? Well, in a nutshell, I would, I would sum it up to being your core values to towards your pride given intuitive to your work. Right? So the values that you attribute to a work and how serious you are and how you're determined to get the job done. Right? And in a timely manner as best as you can. And pretty much how I would sum it up. So, what type of work ethic do you have? Like, from the start of your career in the working world, right? So, when you've left high school or college, the start of your working career, what was your work ethic like? Well, my work ethic in my family was always about If you want something in life, you got to go work hard for it. And you don't, there's no really any ways to cut corners to get it easily. So whatever you do, you just have to work or work harder and get it. And whenever you accomplish something, well, you get a certain sense of pride and you've just done. And mainly, uh, Yeah, this thing's really getting me nervous. I'm not fluent at all. I'm not on camera. It doesn't matter. What was, it doesn't matter, Sean, just, we're just sitting in the truck, shooting the shit, buddy. So like, what was your first job? Anyway, like, so, okay, let's go back in time. What was your first job? My first job was at 15, 15 years old, flipping burgers over at McDonald's. I had my plan of getting my driver's license. Yeah. Yep. And the way I went into working at McDonald's and I paid, I eventually paid for my driver's license and I was more than happy to pay for something for myself without even asking for help. So yeah, that was, that was, uh. So you weren't working for praise and you weren't working for the opportunity to work and you had a target in mind. Nothing to do, eh? An objective and the way I went to get it. You get the objective and where you went. Get your driver's license. Betcha that caused you all kinds of grief, didn't it? All right, I'll take a little pressure off you and I'll, I'll, I'll recount one of my little stories of the first job I worked at, and I, I dropped into it a little bit at the start and the guys up at Ford Hills and, and, and. are going to be looking for Mainridge stories in these podcasts. So I'll give them one now. Oh, here comes the story. The other way, 15 years old. I'm working at an urban service station on weekends, Fridays, Saturdays, Sundays, in Moncton, New Brunswick. And I would work from seven in the morning to 11 at night, Saturdays to Sundays and after school from four to 11 on Fridays. A full day was 21 a day. And, uh, what's called the half days. I think we're like, like 10 bucks or something like that. They weren't a great deal of money, but back then it was a great deal of money. And that money I made actually went to my parents. Cause we had 10 kids in the family and my dad was a welder feeding 10 kids. So I was allowed to have a job, but. The money went back to the house, so I'm 15. I think this is normal. So yeah, I'm gonna go with it. So I keep bringing my money back to mom, helping out the family. So I'm doing a set of tires, doing a set of tires on, uh, it was a 73 Dodge Polaris station wagon. Right? It's maroon in color. This is like a fucking land yacht. It's like 400 feet long. It's got a 45 gallon fuel tank. It burns like 13 barrels per hour, just like that, right? These things in the 70s, early 70s, they took a lot of fuel. So I was putting on a set of Irving Pennistraders, which were snow tires with studs. So we set it up with tires, all that. This is 15 years of age. And I took it off the hoist, I'm backing out, and I cut a wheel too early. Guess whose fender bounced off the fucking door jam on the f garage. Anyway, well boss is okay with that. So the guy from head office, they're gonna come in to see the damage well, this is where kind of story kind of goes f sidewards because Not only was it working at 12 years of age. I joined the army cadets At 15 years of age, I lied my way into the militia. 16 to join the militia. Well, the fucking, wouldn't you know it, there's no, no shit. The fucking guy that's the manager for Irving Oil in Moncton, New Brunswick just happened to be my warrant officer in fucking, in militia. Yeah, so now he finds out that I logged my way into the militia now, on top of this whole fuckin scenario, eh? Anyway, the urban station that fixed, fixed the fender, Keith Fury was the warrant officer's name. I was, I was just about to turn, so that would have been the fall of 70. Five when I did this, because I'm born in 59. So every year, like I'll be 65 for 25 and looking 64 for 24. Right. So, so I was just about to turn 16. So that would have been the fall of, because I'm putting on snow tires to fall to 75, right. And he said, well, by the time I get this all processed through, you're going to be 16 anyway. Right. So then they brought me up on charges, my first military charges at the age of 16 for lying about my age. Anyway, they kept me in there. That's another story. But so work ethic from back then, um, At that job there, what I would do, uh, I would actually be changing tires, changing oils, we'd clean police cars for the, uh, city police of Moncton, and we'd run out and pump gas. Back then you had, get a load of this, an airline that went out and the bell went bing, bing, every time a car went in, and you had an old cash register, like in the movies, you'd press the button. I can remember pumping five bucks of gas in the back of a Chevy and Bella van with a cigarette in my mouth. Back in the day, shit, you're not. But from that point in time, I knew work worked to me. My work ethic was full, full speed at all times, right? It always been full speed at all times. So, but that changed us as you saw last week, that has changed. That has changed. Ironically, I make more money than I did back in 75. But anyway, I'm going to be honest. Sometimes you are hard to keep up with too. All right. So Sean, so your first job was at McDonald's. What was your work ethic like then? Well, I guess, uh, I haven't really thought about the question so long. But, uh, well, it's an entry level job. Did it set you forward to be working at a breakneck pace or were you kind of like, Oh, let's Jack man around and get my free hamburger at lunch. And what type of worker were you? Yeah. No, well, back then I was working on the grill and flipping burgers and sometime going on the assembly line and assembling those sandwiches. Yeah, but, uh, yeah, no, high paced and action packed. Or is that kind of slower? Well, yeah, no, very, very action packed. I was always booked in the rush hours. Yeah, where'd you go after? Where'd you go after McDonald's after McDonald's? Actually, that's where my, uh, my work ethics kind of, uh, went down the drain. You're a mechanic that early? No. I have not. Okay, sorry. At a certain point, there was some squabbles running around and I got fed up of being in it. And yeah, I decided I would get to McDonald's and go for a, for St. Hubert, which is the equivalent. Oh, St. Hubert chicken. We had that in New Brunswick. Yes. Oh yeah. So I guess it would be the equivalent of Montana around, around these parts of the country. Yep. Or Swiss Chalet. Yeah, Swiss Chalet, more like a Swiss Chalet, yeah. Yep. And little did I know, going over there and grilling meat and grilling brochettes, skewers I mean, and dealing with anything that's literally cooked on the grill, little did I know that it was three times as fast or paced than it was at McDonald's. And yeah, it didn't last very long. So, how old were you when you had your first burnout, Sean? I kid you not, I lost it in one month. One month? Yeah, I was always booked on Fridays and Saturdays. Wow. That's when you would get your N to 11 customer orders and all of them are all taking something off of the grill. Wow. Wow. everybody, you have to remember everybody's, um Um, everybody's type of cooking, so, you know, uh, not raw, but rare, medium, or well done, or whatever, so you have to remember everything, on plus, on top of preparing the plates, because the waitresses won't do it. So you have to put the rice, you have to steam the vegetables, and take care of everything. Yeah, it was hard to do alone. And how old were you? I was 16. 16. Okay. So 16, you said, fuck this. Where'd you go next? One time, I remember I had so much, I was really fed up. I also had to do these taco mixes and you have to mix a whole bunch of ingredients, like chicken peppers and stuff like that. But before doing that, you have to put in citric acid inside your pan to make like a, um, A little fire show, I should say. Yeah. And, uh, yeah, I really went to town with that citric acid bottle inside that pad. And when I, when I kicked it and make, uh, it made a pretty good fire. It spooked all the customers that were in front of that window. No, in front of the grill, right? Perfect. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. My work ethics, uh, they, uh, they went down and I didn't take it with that. We talked one up to experience. Oh, yeah. So, yeah, back then I, uh, once I got a taste of that, I, uh, I started saying, fuck this. It didn't start. You know, I'm taking the job seriously. Yeah. And, uh, after I decided after a month, I didn't know I had enough. Well, it took me nine months to find another job again. Oh, really? Oh, yeah. Okay. What's next? And I brought a lot of resumes. I brought a lot of resumes all over the place and I just couldn't believe it. You're probably known as the guy that burnt down fucking St. Hubert. That's super. Well, Flammable lay. Yeah. Oh, And, uh, I found myself a job at a supermarket for, uh, bagging groceries. Yeah. From there I started taking jobs way more seriously. It's. Yeah, but you're 16, 17, 18, that's, that's normal, but you are not entrenched into anything that would force you to perform at a high speed anyway. Well, I guess the other, the fast foods, that's a high pace. That's a very high pace. Well, you know, back then I didn't have all the commitments that us adults have. Yeah, especially for a young person at 16. Yeah, that is big, right? Oh, yeah, that is. That is big, absolutely. Absolutely. So, where, where's the next major stop after, after the grocery store and bagging stuff? Major stop, there's been quite a few. I've been mostly in the manufacturing world. And, uh, there's, there's been quite a lot of places that, uh, I've been at when I was younger, but I'll spare those ones. The, uh, the main one was, uh, a company called Andrew's Hydro, which was previously GE Hydro. And they build hydro turbines and I was lucky enough to work there with my father. So that was kind of, it was a nice, where was that up Churchill falls and stuff for doing the turbines or just no, that was in machine Montreal. Oh, so you're actually in the plant building the turbines. You weren't, you weren't to stall them into dams and stuff. Yeah, so the building would be the equivalent of what you stater and alternator. Yeah, okay. We were building the winding. Well, it must be quite a size for a generator, like, for maybe pretty large, large armatures, would they not? The armatures, the range, they're all, they're all, uh, they all vary from one turbine to the other, but the average. Oh, really? Was about six foot long. Wow. And the biggest one, I believe was almost eight foot long. Wow. So you load that all up with copper and steel, man. What's that weigh at the end of the day? 25 hundred, 3, 000 pounds? Uh, no. Well, we never, we never got to assemble it cause they are just like one bar and there's a close, I believe they said back then there's close to a thousand of them. Oh, really? So picture like the, take like the rotor from a starter and all those little strands that you see all around. Yeah, it was the same, the same principle for a hydro turbine. So your, what your external winding is all individual bars that make up the whole circumference. And you got about a thousand of those on two circuits, I believe. So one circuit and the other, and they're all, uh, linked through jumpers, which is a copper tube. It's soldered to, I think, each other. Wow, so it's, it's, it's quite, it's quite the project. I never seen, I never got to see for myself a turbine, but we, that's, that's the parts we, we assembled and at that shop, I remember that I was also a shop steward and that's where I started to get more, getting deeper with unions. And yeah, on a little side note, it's way different than what we're experiencing right now as what we saw as unions. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Very different. And the other thing that that comes to mind when I, I, uh, bring these jobs up is the reference also towards work ethics. A lot of these places are. Work the majority of the time with older people. Right? So, being that I work with older people, you learn, uh, you're like, I put this, I noticed that working more with young people when I was really not in the mechanics world, but in the manufacturing world, uh, get more of a competitive kind of atmosphere. And when you're working with older people, you get more of a cooperation atmosphere. It's kind of weird, weird to explain, but yeah, we're going with older, older, older folks. I, uh, I got a lot of good tricks and pointers how to. Do your job properly, not not the fastest, but properly. So you don't have to redo it. And when you would compare to people that just came in at the same time, and you'd see their progress. Well, they're all about showing off their worth and going as fast as they can. Most of the time they would make so many mistakes that they have to redo everything they've done. So maybe, maybe a lot of that, Sean, is, is with the, uh, what the employer is driving though, right? So let's take a look at you and the fast food, and you and building stators, um, and armatures. There's a sense of urgency in the fast food world. It's an all in all business. So that's going to change your work ethic into the go as hard as you can to impress the boss. Then when you go into building stators and rotors and stuff, then quality is more important than speed and getting it right. It's going to be substantially more important. So 50 years of the game, what I've noticed and you're, you're touching on it pretty quick there is that younger guy getting into the market, especially if he's new to a job, he's always trying to establish himself within the marketplace or, or the workplace, I should say not marketplace, older folks like me, like I'm 65. My career is coming to an end. So the best I can do is help who is behind me. And, and you get a little taste of that over the last 14 nights, uh, what's called that I'm there to help and do whatever I can for whoever, so I'm more into a servant role, um, I don't want to be the manager. I don't want to be the boss. I don't want to wear a suit and I don't want to hide in an office. I want to get out there and do some stuff. Cross threads and bolts, damage some shit and hide the evidence, right? That's fucking, that's the game, right? That's the game. And then I go home and if I get, I get this arbor car backs up to the truck. If I can back up the house, I'll lose a bunch of money. A couple hockey bags of money every couple of weeks and I'm building it. Right. So, but yeah, I, I see exactly where you're going. So let's take a look at it at the third point in our conversation here. Is that like, how do modern employees view the concept of hard work? How do, what do you think? Like, so when we get those young guys coming to us, what do you think they think hard work is? So, if I get a Gen A millennial comes to us, what would they, what, what, what do you think they would interpret hard work as? I think that although I've grown up with a lot of people that have various perceptions towards that questions in my generation. Yeah. I think I can't really answer that because it all depends on the background you come around from like I've got a lot of comments saying when I was younger saying like what that my generation or lazy Fox and nobody wants to work. Nobody wants to get into greasy shit. But, uh, it all depends which family you come from. It all depends on the values you've got and you've actually been given those values to actually, you know, do something else and doing computers. All day in videos. No offense. Yeah. So are you, so now, how old are you, Sean? Right now I'm 35. 35. So you get a guy 21 years of age comes to work underneath you to apprentice. How are you going to train him? Well, back then, when I used to train people at Tormont, I would try to give them as much knowledge as I could. Because we were in a, an environment where quality was, uh, the number 1 thing being back then in the remand center in Tormont, you would try to do always the best component you can, because at the end of the day, your name's on that component. So, if there's something wrong, well, you're gonna have to fix and Bob on. You know, you don't want to go through that grief and you don't want to put anybody through that grief either. And I'm upset. I'm up for failure. So every time. I would get a, an apprentice, I would take him with me and just go on the ropes. And right now I remember one, one of the apprentices that I had, I would even, uh, go up, go up to, you know, asking questions about seals. One of his questions would be giving him a J seal, but he had to put them on a piston on both sides, inner side and outside. When we're assembling transmissions, and I would ask him, you know, look, look at the clutch housing, tell me how the oil interacts with the piston. And from there, tell me how you install the seal and how it would. Perform properly, or which side is the wrong side and how it will lead. So, having them to think outside the box and looking at what they're looking at and trying to understand what they're actually assembling together and trying to understand how the components. Um, I felt that it, it was, uh, I felt that it was way more beneficial for them to understand what they're doing. And later on, you know, I'm losing my words. I'm really stressed out. It doesn't, that doesn't matter. See, so after you give them that guidance, what type of results did you see out of the guy? Well, the type of results, did he retain it or was it too much information for him? I know I've spent, spent quite a bit of time with younger guys in the trade, going over the technical aspect of whatever repairs, they were putting their gear in a pump drive or whatever. And I'd be talked along, you know, I can talk a fair amount right now. And I could tell when we're into the technical side of the street, when I hit the point where. I've got white noise listening to me. The guy's zoned out. He's fucking he can't take any more information Uh, I find that with younger generations. Sometimes what I do is i'll i'll leave them do it. I guess it was like, uh, What happened there with uh fucking frank the other night? What was I letting them do? Oh, swing the hammer. I was like, remember we were pitting tracks together? We're pitting tracks together We did what? 15 tracks And I give him like a five pound hammer He's swinging and going And I could tell like it's like minus five out or what and like you start your fucking sweat, right So, I went over to the truck and I brought over the 20 pound, I said, I passed a 20 pound hammer, because I think you were lighting things up when you were working with us outside. I passed a 20 pound hammer, I said, watch this. I went, poonk, it went right in. She said, try that. Fuck, that's a lot easier, why didn't you show me that? And I just looked her straight in the eye, I said, because you had to learn. And Jamie said there, he almost pissed himself laughing, but like I said to Frank, I can explain the mechanics behind the five pound, a 10 pound and 20 pound hammer until you see it. You really don't appreciate it. Right. And so, yeah, I find over the years, I was, but to answer your question, though, um, I, I'm the type of guy that I'm going to be more of a hands on. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Kind of instructor, so there's not going to be a whole lot of information, but it's more going to be presenting you parts and telling me how to interact together. And from there, uh, I would just complete bits and pieces of what's missing as information and I would always assemble the transmission with them and not them aside. And, you know, get them through the whole process and I found that getting them involved earlier than just watch me do things and take notes was a kind of way to get them independent way quicker and way more efficient compared to other people that were, you know, here's a pad of notes, here's a pen and take notes and do it on your own next time or whatever. Yeah, yeah. Well, the guy's coming to you as an apprentice. He should have, he should have a good grasp of, of theory anyway, right? Or say, let's say 50 percent of his theory should be down pat and can move along that way there. Yeah, that's it with modern employees. Young guys need that guidance. No, no, just saying too much about it. The, the next question, I guess, I guess about evolution of work I think is remote work. What does that do for your work ethic? So, you're out in the middle of the boonies in northern Quebec. You've got an excavator with a belt slinging off the side, the idler's all pooched. What happened to your work ethic then? Well, I can't really answer that question because I wasn't on excavators. I wasn't north of Quebec. Well, have you ever been out on the road and you had a piece of equipment shit his pants? Now you're the only go to. You're the guy that's going to make it all, somebody's dream come true and make it, breathe life into it. So. What does that do for your work for me? Luckily for me, when I was, uh, on those drills for warranty, most of the time, it would be reset the overload, adjust the overload or swap it out with another tray and, um, a lot of the times it would be connection issues or repairs. You know, anything dealing electronics, so it was really simple. It was more of the figure it out. That was kind of hard. And then was there not a sense of urgency when you tackle those projects? Oh, yeah, there was literally no support. The only support you have was 1 from cat. And the guy lives in Texas, and he would answer his email whenever he could. And that was your only support. Oh, that's pretty brutal, right? If you would, if you would go through DSMs and actually speak to the whole, uh, technical team behind the steps you're supposed to take with Caterpillar DSM requests. Yeah, you, you would get the kind of answers. In an example, a hose that would rupture on the side of the drill mast, you would get a kind of answer saying, was there. Hmm. Wind on that day, because I'm sure it was the wind that broke the holes in my, yeah, but they leave them a fair chance though. They did lose a lot of knowledge. I mean, the product that was working on were originally to Rex, I believe. And then, yeah, sorry, I was bottom out. So be Cyrus didn't want the correct team. So peace hours put in there. Their team, then Caterpillar bought the service and then they didn't want their service engineers, but they can them and then they're left with little knowledge they have. So, yeah, you know, to be fair, they're, they're, they're kind of starting from real far with that. So it's kind of like, you weren't calling the hotline for technical assistance. You're calling the lukewarm line, eh? Yeah. Uh, yeah, pretty much. Calling the Jiffy, Jiffy lube line. Jiffy Lube, eh? Yeah. Oh my. Brutal. Another topic. Yeah, there is certain things that you have to, you know, get it to run and patch it up quickly and order the parts. And once the parts are received, well, then you just fix it properly. That happens very often. Yeah, every now and then, eh? Oh yeah. So, so evolution of your work ethic from McDonald's to this point of Fiction Drills. What, what's changed in your work ethic? Are you more determined to get a job done? Are you more conscientious? Do you work harder? Do you work faster? Do you work slower? Do you work smarter? What do you do? What's, what's different from the time you were flipping burgers to then? The biggest difference is the sense of pride that I have and the pressure I put on myself being as a dealership. Uh, before, before getting into getting hired by Huwitt, I worked really hard into getting that job. And once I got in, the 1st thing they said in, in the caterpillar trainings were be mindful that whenever a customer machine is Presented to you in the bay that the, um, there's a high chance that that machine has already been through. Or 5, maybe 6 independent. Uh, technicians and technicians, and they might have not found the issue. Now they're sending it to the dealership. So there was always this high pressure from the start. So back then I was really. It was a sense of pride at working for Hewitt, and I guess that towards that, I put a lot of pressure on myself with that, so it was always about, you know, making the job right, while doing the job right, and making sure the problem doesn't come back, and fixing the root cause, which is something you don't really Did that make you a better technician, or did that make you a more thorough technician, or did that make you a more, more disgruntled technician? very much. I would say more thorough, better technicians, hard to say, because you learn, you become a better technician over the years, learning you through your mistakes. But I would say, uh, more of a thorough technician, rather than stopping at the 1st, the 1st finding, you can go even further until you find the root cause of whatever issue is going on. Of course, in mining, it's not always, you don't always have the time to do that. You have to get the truck running as quick as you can or whatever. So, yeah, it happens a lot of time that you have to, you know, patch it up just to make it work and come back to it later if you get the occasion. Yeah. Yeah, cool. So, I'm going to take it way outside our usual norms of conversation. So, Do you think the gig economy's got any, any play in our workplace today that what you see around where we're at right now? Do you know what I mean by the gig economy? The gig economy is the side gig economy. So, so people, it's not quiet quitting, but people will come to work and are really not functioning a hundred percent. And They might have a side gig going on where they're, oh, they could be flipping Bitcoin, they could be buying weed stocks, they could be selling perfume and panty liners, like, they could be doing anything, a side, what we call a side gig, eh? Uh, side gig economy equates for two billion dollars, I think, annually in Canada, so we're talking a lot of bucks here, a lot of people, a lot of people are doing it. Um, That being said, do you, have you ever worked with anybody involved in a side gig that's, you know, affected the work ethics and their standards at work? No, I couldn't say no, not towards that. I just want to point out my battery is dying. I didn't think it would drain the batteries fast. Oh, okay. Well, do we want to shut this down here for today? And we can turn this into a two parter, not a problem. How much battery you got left, my friend? 2%. Oh, shit. Nope. You just didn't do one. 2%. Okay. We're going to sign off. Uh, you can hop off the video feed here right now and I'll close off if you want to, or you can just hang in, I'll do a quick little spiel. So this is part one of part two with Sean. Sean's going to charge his battery next time. And this is kind of a impromptu last minute. Sean, so much for your time. Uh, everybody thanks so much for, uh, Geez, we're in the 40 minutes anyway, you know what this was only supposed to be a one hour episode We're in the 40 minutes already. It's not a bad thing to break it into two parts. Sean. I'm gonna let you go Thank you so much for your time. Uh, everybody's listening in on the first podcast I guess we'll drop a second one here right quick. So thank you very much everyone for your time Greatly appreciate it and we'll be looking forward to seeing you in the next episode of gears of trust. Bye. Bye